Commodus and lucilla relationship quiz

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Posts about no more incest written by guildnstern. In a conversation he has with Lucilla (played by Connie Nielsen and sister to Commodus). Before Caesar Marcus died, Lucilla said to Marcus, "This is a pleasant fiction. They are pretending that they have a good relationship. D. Commodus ordered Lucilla's execution after a failed assassination and coup attempt her part in the film's plot bearing only a very loose relation to her real life.

Furthermore, Marcus Aurelius died when Commodus was only Not only he did he have the promise of all the power and position, but he was still young.

Why would he kill his father when he could still spend his time without as much responsibility? Also, he was young and inexperienced when he took over, and according to Cassius Dio his lack of guile and lack of great intelligence meant that his older advisers could manipulate him. What if the movie had started with Commodus as a good looking younger man with a great deal of potential? The first sign of trouble could be his pulling away from battle and returning to Rome.

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This way, he gains the support of the army, is thoughtful, but maybe also a coward for retreating from battle. Could he at least TRY to look like less of a douche? Maximus could still be a solider — not a general though, he should fly under the radar — who gets forced into slavery for some reason. Perhaps he fights for the other side and gets captured by soldiers. A prisoner of war being sold into slavery would not be unusual.

He could now have a great deal of resentment against Rome and want to get back to his family. In truth, particularly in the early days of the Republic, you only had a chance of being in the senate if you were part of the aristocratic patrician class.

The senate was comprised of elected magistrates. Once you became a magistrate, you were in the senate for life. There was only one position for magistrates that dealt directly with the people, and even then they dealt with the Council of Plebs. This council consisted of roman citizens who were male. If you were a woman or not a citizen, then you had no voice in politics.

Senators largely looked after their own interests, and as the Republic continued they got more corrupt and self-centered. Emperors brought them peace? Bring on the Emperors! But the speech Proximo gives early in the film about buying slaves to profit from their deaths? Anyone who owned or sponsored gladiators had to put in time to train them, to feed them, to give them medical attention.

If they died in the first battle, you lost out on the profit you could gain from seeing them fight time and again. Not to mention, that these early fights outside of Rome would have been less bloody in history.

By this time, gladiator fights that ended in death were largely banned outside of Rome, and sometimes the contestants would fight with wooden weapons to prevent death.

The movie could give Maximus the chance to prove himself by winning fights, as this nobody from another army. Commodus could still call for more gladiators from outside Rome. The historical Commodus was obsessed with games, particularly gladiator fights.

When he first became emperor he would participate in practice fights in privacy, but as the years wore on he began to insert himself into the arena. This had mixed results. His ability has an archer in killing animals impressed the Roman people, they ate it up. When he actually fought in the arena against men?

That would be far more dubious. Only slaves were debased enough to be forced into entertainment, and someone of the aristocracy fighting in such a manner would have been humiliating to some degree. They could slowly show him growing more unstable. The turning point of horror in the film could center around Commodus entering the arena as Hercules something else he actually did.

In one historical account, Commodus had men in Rome without feet, or otherwise handicapped, chained together and made them costumes to turn them into the monstrous giants of mythology.

He then clubbed them to death as Hercules saving the people. The historical Commodus was approximately x more horrifying than the movie version leering at his sister. I thought he might have good reasons for killing his father, but NOW I know that he's a creep.

In truth, about two years after Commodus became emperor, Lucilla devised a plot to assassinate him. This is what the senate has sent you! Not to mention, that the senate had nothing to do with the plot to kill Commodus. You could say that this attempt made Commodus even worse than Lucilla already thought he was. Oh, he also exiled his sister and had her killed. Can you imagine this woman being set up as a key player in the movie only to have her killed partway through? It would certainly help turn the audience against Commodus, probably even more than they were when he asked her to spend the night with him.

Seriously, get rid of the incest, put in the failed assassination. Put these women in the mix, let them learn how terrible he is and begin to start their own plotting. They could meet with Maximus in secret and start up a plan, and take on proactive roles in trying to keep Commodus from becoming completely amoral.

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I like this approach because it gives more women the chance to act. In the version we have now, Connie Nielsen is the only one who really gets to talk, aside from the prostitutes.

With more of the historical women, we now get a good three or four roles of women plotting and manipulating the scene. Also, it gives Marcia the chance to be awesome. In one explanation for why she decided to help assassinate Commodus, she found a tablet on which he had written the names people he wanted to kill. She was at the top of the list.

When she saw this, Marcia apparently said: So, Commodus, this is my reward for my love and devotion, after I have put up with your arrogance and your madness for so many years. But, you drunken sot, you shall not outwit a woman deadly sober! How fantastic is that? I am on the Marcia bandwagon. Let the ladies get in on the death and assassination. Marcia attempted to poison him, and when he vomited up most of the poison, they sent in a wrestler by the name of Narcissus to finish him off.

Perhaps instead, Marcia could sneak Maximus in to kill him if we are intent on having Maximus carry off the final heroic act. As it stands, having a slave kill an emperor in the arena is too ridiculous. No matter how much the people hated Commodus, they would never have reacted to his death like they did in the film.

His sister would not have failed to pay respects to his dead body. I understand the uplifting ending. After all, if the movie followed history too closely, after Commodus died, more emperors like him would take his place and continue the path to absolute and autocratic rule. Maximus gets his revenge and changes the face of the Empire, but most people just remember him as a lowly slave. One more note on the film: Ridley Scott made the Colosseum larger than it actually was because he wanted to show off the dramatics.

In an attempt to kill off Maximus, Commodus could move him from the arena to the Circus Maximus, to the far more dangerous chariot races. If Commodus stooped so low as to participate in a chariot race? The people of Rome would be absolutely scandalized.

Overall, I like this film. Like I said, it is entertaining. Maximus is good and fights for the people. Commodus is bad and has few morals. I leave you here, because this is getting ridiculously long and there is more I could say. Like I said before, this is a fantastic compilation of primary sources that cover all aspects of Roman culture. Cassius Dio, Roman History. A contemporary of Commodus, he has a good account of what happened.

Unfortunately, he only have the epitomes and not full lengths of his text, but a good primary source. General Maximus prays to his ancestors, asking for guidance and protection for his family. His altar is filled with candles and small statues of his wife, son, and others. Cicero returns the statues of his wife and son to Maximus following, a Proximo and gladiators arrival in Rome, b match with Titus, c battle of Carthage Marcus Aurelius wrote to Commodus, listing the four chief virtues.

They are [pick four] courage, wisdom, prudence, justice, fortitude, moderation, temperance, and steadfastness. Commodus orders Quintus to carry out the execution of Maximus and his family. The Praetorians are to ride until dawn and then execute Maximus. Ridley Scott cut the execution of the two soldiers who reported Maximus was ambushed and killed.

The Praetorian guard arrest Maximus, ride all night and reach the site of an earlier massacre perpetrated by barbarians. Maximus escapes by disarming his executioner, killing the four Praetorians, and capturing two of their horses. When Commodus and Lucilla arrive in Rome the Senate convenes to give them a list of guidelines.

The top priority is, a plague in the Greek quarter, b grain supply for next year, c care and maintenance of the road system. Proximo, "an entertainer" with considerable know-how, advises Maximus: It is a a helmet resembling the helmet of invisibility, b key to his cell, c upper torso leather protection Proximo was once a great gladiator.

In Rome, he stops in front of Jupiter's statue and asks his "old friend" for a fortune, b victory, c luck, d fame. Lucius visits the gladiators and asks Maximus about his horses at home before the first match in Rome. Maximus tells Lucius their names are a sun and moon, b gold and silver, c strength and honour Proximo wants double the rates when he learns his troupe will be reenacting the historical battle of Carthage that was a massacre. His appeal for fair compensation is made to the Master of Ceremonies who tells him, a it isn't in his contract, b the beggars and thieves could replace his gladiators, c pray for an act of god Maximus turns the tables and the barbarians win the battle, using Roman military strategy known as "the turtle.

Lucilla visits Maximus and tells him he is the only person to ever stand up to Commodus. Maximus tells her he only has the power to amuse the mob.

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Lucilla tells Maximus the mob is Rome, and asks him to, a accept a challenge from Commodus b send a message to his army in Ostia, c meet a politician When the match with Titus starts, a tiger is released to diminish the size of the playing field.

More tigers are released as the match continues and Maximus is forced to kill two of them. How many Tigers does Titus kill?

When Lucius is playing late at night, Commodus asks him who he is pretending to be. Lucius answers and lets the cat out of the bag by telling Commodus he is, a a gladiator fighting in the arena, b Maximus at the Roman victory in Germania, c Maximus, the savior of Rome Lucilla discovers Lucius with Commodus who tells his nephew about one of their ancestors, Claudius.

Commodus sends the Praetorians out to destroy all those in Rome who oppose him.

What type of relationship did Commudus have with Lucilla? by crystal fox on Prezi

Senator Gias is killed by, a a fire bomb, b a snake, c a knife At the time Maximus and Commodus face off in the arena, Maximus is already near death from a knife wound in his back.

The injury, inflicted by Commodus while Maximus is in chains, is witnessed by, a the Praetorians, b Lucilla, c Quintus When Commodus is dead, Maximus reveals the wish of Marcus Aurelius to the people of Rome, that Rome is to be a republic once again.

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